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Article I'm replying to is here:

Serious Play: The Occupy Movement and the Twin Horns of Oppression & Revolution

Second half is here

"To my mind it is that very inconsequentiality that makes it all the more pure."

Inconsequetiality doesn't make something pure. Intelligence, Knowledge, Love and Grace does.

Another difference is that between recognizing tyranny, oppression, etc., for what they, without making a value judgment about them, and having a personal issue with them.

I do have a problem with the State of the World. Yet I recognize the Occupy Movement is a red herring and will do nothing.

Also, it's a karma yoga thing - a sacrifice in which one detaches one's self from the result: renounces the fruit of the action. But non-action is not the answer.

The difference between the two opponents is that one side knows it's all a game, while the other side views it with deadly seriousness

Without the spiritual attitude, you are right, the action becomes an expression of gross ego. However, that is simply because such actions are so rare and unhabitual. If everyone did it and made a practice of it such actions would not be special and would not bloat the ego - it would just be ordinary routine - "business as usual"

opposing power structures only reinforces and strengthens those same structures in the long run.

But you are neglecting to note these things are staged for that very purpose.

As exhibit A for this argument, I present “9/11” and the resulting “war on terror,” the Patriot Act, and the myriad ways in which the US (and global) government used an act of resistance to consolidate its political power, and extend the apparatus of tyranny, the same tyranny which the attack on the twin towers was (allegedly) intended to undermine.

Ditto, as I said above, goes double for this example. But the denial is more egregious. D'uh. No comment. Example is not an example - since your premise is wrong.

As evidenced by the recent police backlash, the Occupy Movement acts to further energize the old “us and them” polarity, in both the collective and individual psyche.

Quite true. However, the true purpose is the disheartenment and traumatization of the few people who will stand up for correction in the system.

It seems to me that the Occupiers actually want to improve their lot, and the lot of the alleged “oppressed,” and here, perhaps, is the problem. I would argue that all of us are equally oppressed regardless of our social conditions, and that to try and improve those conditions by resisting governmental corruption is like rearranging the furniture in a house that is on fire. In which case, my guess is that the children of the revolution are going to be sorely disappointed when they see that the Occupation Movement— by energizing the “enemy”— leads to the exact opposite result to that expected, i.e., to the concretization of tyranny.

"All of us are equally oppressed regardless of our social conditions"

is completely untrue.

As I wrote above: the "purpose" of the Occupy Movement is to further bring in Fascism. It's designed to do that. It's staged. The people who believe in it are duped, just as they were with Kerry, Obama, Bush, on and on.

It would be a great list to make: all the ways the sheeps have been fooled. It's very sad and the only remedy is knowledge, learning, health, commitment and freedom from sick Propaganda and psy-op.

The list of what is needed for change is probably just as long as the list of ways and staged events whereby the sheeps have been sheared. Over and Over.

a rationale for social activism is to take it from mere childish pouting into the realm of hubris

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It's not a childish pout. I think you project. Also, trivializing the suffering of others is not kind. No matter how it's portrayed in the Media, it's a lie. The Media portray the protesters as fools or marytrs. And that is how the majority reads it. (Except now the mainstream politicos are taking hold of the legend and reputation of it.)

The answer is, according to human (egocentric) logic, a logic based on the illusion of being separate from the system, both the little system of government, commerce, and social oppression, and the greater system of life as a whole.

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. And sometimes a fucked up world is a fucked up world. And sometimes spiritual "higher truths" are used as a means to disassociate from pain and unpleasantness. Are you really equating the political system with the natural world? I thought you said there is no "natural law?"

If we were to free our minds first, mightn’t we find that the system of oppression we exist under is exactly the way it is supposed to be, along with everything else?

Actually, NO.

All these occupiers may get along fabulously as long as they have a common foe to oppose and can agree, more or less, on the way things ought to be. But what would happen if that enemy (those old outworn structures) were suddenly gone?

Also no, they are in-fighting amongst each others like demons already - no need for a lack of common enemy. Ever since the night where the police beat the dogs to death with clubs (the 15th) and destroyed the whole encampment, the place in NYC has organizationally fallen apart.

would that still be the case if the participants accepted that the Occupy Movement was futile, in terms of bringing about social change—or even that it was eventually going to have the opposite effect to the one desired? Would the participants still be willing to engage just for the hell of it—for “lulz”?

People who are shallow can only imagine a shallow motive in others? First you say the protesters are too serious. Now you are saying "would they still 'have fun' if they knew it was doing nothing." Make up your mind. Do you secretly envy the sheepsies, is that the problem? [I'd say it was only half sheepsies there anyway - other half are informants, agents, moles, provocateurs, spies, media spinners, and people who want to start a fight with authority figures]

The whole point of the exercise, staged Media "movement" , is to disillusion and discourage those small minority who would attempt to improve the world or resist the incipient Fascist State. (how hard could that be? - considering how shitty it is to start with, if everyone tried?)

What there is, perhaps, is a clearing the ground, a razing, not for some utopian edifice to be constructed but for an unknown new life to burst forth, over time, from that charred land.

RIGHT! Talk about mirroring: This is exactly and precisely the line of the New World Order-ers.... FIRE will CLEANSE. "Let's have a HOLOCAUST!"

Seems to be moving to some point / moment.